{"id":26618,"date":"2014-11-24T18:00:51","date_gmt":"2014-11-24T17:00:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ocasapiens-dweb.blogautore.repubblica.it\/?p=26618"},"modified":"2021-10-10T20:37:36","modified_gmt":"2021-10-10T18:37:36","slug":"il-tiramisu-di-giovanni","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/2014\/11\/24\/il-tiramisu-di-giovanni\/","title":{"rendered":"Il tiramisu di Giovanni"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Passerini-Proia-Rossi\"<\/a>
\nAlle ore 15 e 50 mentre sono in giro vedo gente,\u00a0Giovanni rivela<\/strong><\/a> che la notizia bomba preannunciata dal dott. Passerini la quale doveva far galleggiare i cadaveri di noi patoscettici sul fiume lungo il quale il promotore dell’e-cat e della “truffa della Defkalion” siede ad aspettarli da quattro anni con le conseguenze fisiol…<\/p>\n

– Arrivi al dunque?<\/p>\n

insieme al vassoio d’argento della nonna con sop…<\/p>\n

– Alloora?<\/p>\n

\u00e8 uscita non su 22 passi, stranamente se si ripensa al mitico incontro di Pordenone neanche due anni fa, cliccateci sopra la foto fain\u00e9…<\/p>\n

– Che tenerezza…<\/p>\n

che tanto aveva fatto sperare Hermano Tobia insieme a tutti i veri credenti e i veri italiani da Scilipot…<\/p>\n

– Ebbastaaa, la notizia qual \u00e8?<\/p>\n

Scusa, almeno il contest…<\/p>\n

– Giancarlo, Nasty, Cimpy, venite qua che la facciamo en cassoulet.<\/p>\n

Nonnon, nonnon, nonnon, mettetevi le dita negli orecchi, di pi\u00f9, cos\u00ec. Bon, j’d\u00e9goupille<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Bum!<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

The following statement was submitted by Aldo Proia of Prometeon, Srl.<\/em><\/p>\n

Reply to Andrea Rossi\u2019s statement about licensees appeared on Jonp<\/strong>
\nWe would like to reply to the misleading statements published last week on the JONP, the well known Andrea Rossi\u2019s blog, which are shown in their entirety at the end of this letter. We felt in need to add relevant information and to correct some of Mr. Rossi\u2019s statements to the extent that we are concerned.<\/p>\n

\u201c[Rossi from Jonp]:
\nDaniele Passerini (blogger of \u201c22 Passi\u201d), You asked me few days ago about why some of our commercial Licensees have cancelled their websites.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It is a clear reference to us, Prometeon Srl, because we temporary canceled our website and Daniele Passerini asked Rossi about our status of licensee, sending us in CC his communication.<\/p>\n

\u201c [Rossi] The reason is that we decided to offer to all our commercial Licensees to buy back their license at a price, obviously, superior to the price they paid for it. Some of our Licensees have accepted our proposal and sold us back their license.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This is only a part of the whole story and it lacks of important information about the context and the reasons why we took such an apparently foolish decision, just a couple of months before the release of the second Third Party Report, that we all knew would have been positive.
\nBriefly: the buy-back offer was made by Mr Rossi and E.F.A. Srl, the company controlled by Rossi\u2019s partner that owns the E-Cat\u00ae exclusive distribution license for Europe, a few months after that some important facts had happened, the most important being the following:
\n1) The license owned by another E-Cat licensee, of a different European country, and that we will not unveil for respecting privacy, was canceled by the licensor (EFA) and the licensee was threatening a lawsuit, thus inducing all the other licensees to wonder about the loyalty of their commercial partners (EFA\/Rossi) and about their real intentions; in fact, even if Mr Rossi\/EFA sold the licenses for selling both the domestic and the industrial 1 MW E-Cat\u00ae, this latter theoretically available within three months from the date of the order, after more than one year and \u00bd after signing the sub-license agreement we all were still waiting to see a working 1 MW E-Cat\u00ae and, without having a proof it was really ready for the market, as Rossi never stopped claiming, no one of us wanted to lose their reputation by offering the E-Cats\u00ae to the customers\u2026 The trust relationship with Mr Rossi\/EFA was progressively losing steam and after the bad adventure of the above mentioned E-Cat\u00ae licensee, somebody also started talking about a possible legal lawsuit against both EFA and Leonardo Corporation.
\n2) For all of us it was extremely important to show a working E-Cat to the potential customers. So, at the beginning of Spring 2014, we proposed to EFA the purchase of an E-Cat\u00ae; we were in talk for selling the thermal energy to an Italian company having a big district heating network. It was the perfect client where installing the low enthalpy E-Cat\u00ae. We never got an answer from EFA\/Rossi neither all the purchasing contracts we had been asking for months. Moreover, in September 2013 we (Prometeon) placed an order for a 1 MW E-Cat\u00ae; as far as we know, it was the first signed order ever for an E-Cat\u00ae! Before accepting the order we warned our customer that they had 99% probabilities not to see their E-Cat\u00ae, but they still hoped to get it as they trusted Mr. Rossi, despite everything. As we expected, instead of organizing a party and giving the good news to the world, EFA\/Leonardo Corporation never let us have all the solicited documents necessary to close the order: e.g. a supply contract, a maintenance contract, guarantees about the E-Cat\u00ae and the future fuel supplies, a technical manual with a detailed description of how to integrate an E-Cat\u00ae in an existing industrial environment and with a SCADA,\u2026
\nMoreover, in one year and a half of work we found many customers seriously interested in buying the E-Cat, nominally already on the market, and we presented pre-orders and requests for demonstrations to both EFA and Mr Rossi, but we never had any kind of cooperation, we never received the purchasing contracts and it had never been possible to organize e demonstration. As far as we know, also other licensees had customers interested in installing an E-Cat\u00ae and they faced similar problems.
\nThe described situation put both EFA and Leonardo Corporation (Mr. Rossi) under pressure and this could be one of the main reasons why they decided to make their buy-back offer. Obviously we didn\u2019t accept the offer; we had many customers ready to place orders the day after they would have received from EFA\/Rossi the purchasing contracts and the due guarantees.
\nA few weeks later, in the month of December, we received a formal letter from EFA saying that our license contract was canceled because \u201cwe didn\u2019t get enough orders, like it was written in the license contract\u201d!! Obviously this was ridiculous and it was the final confirmation, if still needed, that it would have been impossible to see a working E-Cat\u00ae, probably for a long while.
\nIn the following months we tried in every way to find a friendly solution to this very uncomfortable situation, also with the intermediation of Industrial Heat and Mr. Andrea Rossi, well informed through our letters, but it was not possible and surely not for our responsibility.
\nFinally, to avoid the risk of wasting time and money in a long, unhealthy legal battle, we decided to give up and to accept the buy-back, even because we did not want to have to deal with similar \u201cpartners\u201d any more. Regarding the superior price offered, Rossi\u2019s words suggest that we had good profits from the buy-back, while clearly the opposite is true.<\/p>\n

\u201c [Rossi] We maintained with our former Licensees a friendly and collaborative relationship, open to the possibility of future collaboration upon specific issues.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In our case this is ridiculously false!
\nWhat to say more? A very unpleasant experience. By our side we have already turned the page to follow an alternative and very promising route to get clean energy from LENR; the challenge is very stimulating and the scientists involved in the project are very well prepared and motivated.
\nThe only good thing we can say about Mr Rossi is that he has the merit of having broken the wall around LENR and that finally this important, clean and cheap energy source has started receiving the attention it deserves.
\nWe take this opportunity to apologize publicly with all the people and companies that have contacted us over the last two years being seriously interested, for different reasons, at the E-Cat\u00ae and who didn\u2019t get the answers they hoped to receive or couldn\u2019t buy the E-Cats\u00ae, for other people\u2019s responsibilities.
\nPrometeon Srl, former E-Cat licensee for Italy
\nThe managing board
\nEng. Guido Parchi
\nAldo Proia<\/p>\n

\u00a0*<\/p>\n

Gentile dott. Proia,
\ngrazie, ma si sapeva da altre fonti scottate dal gatto, perci\u00f2 il test si doveva fare a Lugano.<\/p>\n

*<\/p>\n

Agg. 25\/11: “La macchina del fango contro l’E-cat”<\/strong><\/p>\n

aborrita dal dott. Passerini funziona a pieno regime sul blog del dott. Passerini dove un credulo camillo non sotto NDA scrive<\/a><\/strong>:<\/p>\n

Dato che il coperchio \u00e8 stato tolto dall’amico Aldo Proia, posso raccontare alcuni retroscena.<\/em><\/p>\n

e gi\u00f9 badilate di reflui.<\/p>\n

Suggeriamo al dott. Passerini di procedere come Andrea “no comment<\/a>” Rossi con\u00a0rossilivecat<\/a><\/strong>, dove i commenti fatti sul JONP comparivano prima che potesse censurarli.<\/p>\n

*<\/p>\n

Agg. 26\/11<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dice Mats Lewan<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n

In the beginning of 2014 I asked several of Rossi\u2019s licensees about this. One of them confirmed that the offer was the amount invested plus 10 percent, which Rossi also told me, and that the majority of the licensees had turned it down at that time.<\/em>
\nAnother licensee confirmed that it had accepted the offer, together with \u201csome licensees\u201d <\/em><\/p>\n

mentre Hydrofusion e AmpEnergo non l’hanno accettata.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Alle ore 15 e 50 mentre sono in giro vedo gente,\u00a0Giovanni rivela che la notizia bomba preannunciata dal dott. Passerini la quale doveva far galleggiare i cadaveri di noi patoscettici sul fiume lungo il quale il promotore dell’e-cat e della “truffa della Defkalion” siede ad aspettarli da quattro anni con le conseguenze fisiol… – Arrivi… Continua a leggere Il tiramisu di Giovanni<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[286,1783,2088,5579],"class_list":["post-26618","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bufala","tag-aldo-proia","tag-daniele-passerini","tag-e-cat","tag-prometeon","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26618","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=26618"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26618\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42736,"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26618\/revisions\/42736"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=26618"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=26618"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/archivio.ocasapiens.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=26618"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}